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[CW: demeaning language] Unified Inviolability: Because I don't like having an unnamed majority

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greenchestnuts:

I don’t know if this is relevant context, but I do know that many gay men and lesbians thinkbisexuals have privilege over them*. So that may play a role in the dynamic as well.

(*I also think this is bunk, for a number of reasons, not least of which being I’ve seen the data.)

Bisexual people in opposite gender relationships have the legal privilege to fucking marry their partner, what the fuck are you on you think this shit is bunk and bisexual people have absolutely no privileges over homosexual people????? Don’t get me wrong it’s a conditional privilege, but it’s still fucking there, and none of this second wave ~everything is biphobia shit is going to change the reality that bisexual people have the freedom to enjoy many of the caveats of straight privilege without sacrificing their overall happiness to do so the way that homosexual people would have to.

I just don’t even fucking care anymore that you don’t want me to respond or reblog anything you write, this is just such a factually wrong statement that I can’t believe it was even something you seriously wrote out. No. You are wrong. Wrong as can be. No, I don’t care about what data you’ve seen, you’re wrong. You are real wrong. If opened up the dictionary to look up the definition of wrong it would have your URL included. You are more wrong than SEX BROOD.

ah, yes, “I don’t care what the data says, you are wrong, because I say so” is such a valid argument. 

For those who actually do care about data, here’s a couple of good reads that are relevent to the bisexual erasure/oppression aspect debate:

Bisexual Invisibility: Impacts and Recommendations - San Francisco Human Rights Commission, LGBT Advisory Comittee

This is a very good general introduction to the problem of bisexual erasure and the problems this causes for the bisexual community.

excerpt:

The Epistemic Contract of Bisexual Erasure - Kenji Yoshino

This one’s rather long and a bit more technical, but it interesting in that it has some speculation about asexuality in relation to the heterosexual/homosexual treatments of bisexuals. It also has a lot of interesting details about some of the theory behind homosexual and heterosexual resistance to the acceptance of bisexuality.

excerpt:

Having demonstrated erasure in Part I, I seek to explain it in Part II. I suggest that erasure occurs because the two dominant sexual orientation groups—self-identified straights and self-identified gays—have shared investments in that erasure. It is as if these two groups, despite their other virulent disagreements, have agreed that bisexuals will be made invisible. I call this the epistemic contract of bisexual erasure. To support the existence of such a contract, I adduce evidence that self-identified straights and self-identified gays both deploy the same three strategies of bisexual erasure: class erasure, individual erasure, and delegitimation.

These are my two particular favorites, but if anyone has any additional suggestions for good material please let me know!

Source: metapianycist

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    • #busexuality
    • #bisexual erasure
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Internalized Homophobia and LGB Aces

greenchestnuts:

I’m talking to someone about the Trevor Project’s treatment of asexuals (among other things), and she asked, “In terms of harm reduction for the greatest number of people does it do any significant harm for legitimately asexual LGB people to have the possibility of internalized homophobia be brought up (cuz I know it does a whole hell of a lot of harm to repressed LGB people for it to not be brought up)”?

I have a definite opinion about this, but I’m not LGB, so I wanted to ask those aces who are, in a non-leading way. How would you feel about people suggesting to you that maybe you’re not ace but identify as such because of internalized homophobia, and do you think a question or suggestion like that would be harmful?

(Tagging this with LGBTetc tags as well for visibility.)

I’m an aromantic asexual (though I do identify as queer), and so maybe not your tartget audience, but personally I think it’s incredibly dangerous. 

Telling someone, anyone that their experience is false because they must have internalized homophobia isn’t helpful at all. Especially among asexuals, most people have spent huge amounts of time trying to understand their identity, and most have already seriously considered the possibility that they might be LGBT. And so to offhandedly dismiss their identity as internalized homophobia like you know more about their own idendity  than they do, when they have probably spent years thinking about this and you probably don’t know anything about them is incredibly insulting. 

Furthermore, this isn’t something that’s only targeted at asexuals: it’s also something that’s commonly thrown at bisexuals, when people tell them that they are just “confused” or “trying to hard to be straight” or “too scared to come out as fully gay”. Are there possibly some people for whom this is true? Perhaps, but probably only a small minority. And just because some might be something else doesn’t mean it’s acceptable to deny, question, and doubt, the legitimacy of the identities of an entire group. 

Also, I can say this: people who are trying to repress their sexuality and deny their desires because of internalized homophobia will probably not try to hide behind the asexual community - there is too much of a culture of introspection, exploration and deep consideration, which is the exact opposite of trying to repress themselves would try to hide behind. Furthermore, if their internalized homophobia is so terrible, what the hell would they be doing IDing as a sexual minority that already gets a lot of flack from heterosexists? 

However, I do think there’s a huge difference between just talking about internalized homophobia, and actually singling out asexuals and telling them that they are products of internalized homophobia. Internalized homophobia is an important thing to bring up, but it can and should be done so without casting negative implications on any identity by accusing them as being merely the result of internalized homophobia.

    • #asexual
    • #asexuality
    • #bisexual
    • #bisexuality
    • #internalized homophobia
    • #erasure
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Last call for submissions before I submit my project to my professor

queerhumanizationproject:

I’m still going to keep doing the project as long as I get submissions, but I would really love to have a few more to pick from for my final critique!!

submission guidelines

ooh, this looks fascinating. What date and time would you need/want submissions by?

    • #asexual
    • #asexuality
    • #queer
    • #lgbtq
    • #homosexual
    • #bisexual
    • #gay
    • #lesbian
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to everything strange, inchoate: On erasure and discrimination in the queer community

metafictionally:

Hey Tumblr, ‘sup. So I’m in charge of chairing tonight’s LMU GSA meeting, and the subject is erasure/discrimination within the queer community and within queer-friendly (supposedly) media. I have a little by way of media (videos and such) and I have some discussion questions for the group, but…

There’s  good post here about an article that mentions asexual erasure, and similarities to/differences from bisexual erasure here. An excerpt:

Although it was published in Jan. 2000—before the birth of the asexual community—the author was clearly aware of asexuality and the issue of asexual erasure….Not only does he recognize the issue, but—even without there being an asexual community—he has considerable insight into the matter:

“My regret is made keen by the convergences between bisexual and asexual erasure, most notably the refusal by both self-identified straights and self-identified gays to acknowledge either category. Thus asexuals, like bisexuals, are prone to being accused of duplicity or false consciousness, or, more specifically, of being closeted gays.


The decision to defer a discussion of asexuals for another day, however, is supported by the undertheorized divergences between bisexuality and asexuality, which suggest that the two topics deserve separate analysis. While both doubled and absent desire appear to threaten straights and gays, they do so in quite different ways. To take one crude cut at that difference, consider the disparate ways in which the time-honored conflation of sexuality and sin ramifies across bisexuality and asexuality. If this conflation leads some to view bisexuals as particularly culpable because of their “promiscuous” desire for both sexes…it leads some of the same people to view asexuals as particularly pure.”


Also, I’m not sure if it’s exactly what you’re looking for, but there’s an excellent paper about bisexual erasure from the San Francisco Human Rights comission that has a detailed analysis of Bisexual erasure, and many of the points are applicable (with slight adaptation) to many other forms of erasure.  For Example, take the following list of examples of bisexual erasure: 

 Assuming that everyone you meet is either heterosexual or homosexual.

 Supporting and understanding a bisexual identity for young people because you identified

“that way” before you came to your “real” lesbian/gay/heterosexual identity.

 Automatically assuming romantic couplings of two women are lesbian, or two men are gay,

or a man and a woman are heterosexual.

 Expecting a bisexual to identify as gay or lesbian when coupled with the “same” sex/gender.

 Expecting a bisexual to identify as heterosexual when coupled with the “opposite”

sex/gender.

 Believing that bisexual men spread HIV/AIDS to heterosexuals.

 Believing that bisexual women spread HIV/AIDS to lesbians.

 Thinking bisexual people haven’t made up their minds.

 Refusing to accept someone’s self-identification as bisexual if the person hasn’t had sex with

both men and women.

 Expecting bisexual people to get services, information, and education from heterosexual

service agencies for their “heterosexual side” and then go to gay and/or lesbian service

agencies for their “homosexual side.”

 Feeling bisexuals just want to have their cake and eat it too.

 Assuming a bisexual person would want to fulfill your sexual fantasies or curiosities.

 Thinking bisexuals only have committed relationships with “opposite” sex/gender partners.

 Being gay or lesbian and asking your bisexual friends about their lovers or whom they are

dating only when that person is the “same” sex/gender.

 Assuming that bisexuals, if given the choice, would prefer to be in an “opposite” gender/sex

coupling to reap the social benefits of a “heterosexual” pairing.

 Assuming bisexuals would be willing to “pass” as anything other than bisexual.

 Believing bisexuals are confused about their sexuality.

 Feeling that you can’t trust a bisexual because they aren’t really gay or lesbian, or aren’t really

heterosexual.

 Refusing to use the word bisexual in the media when reporting on people attracted to more

than one gender, instead substituting made-up terms such as “gay-ish.”

 Using the terms phase or stage or confused or fence-sitter or bisexual or AC/DC or switch-hitter as

slurs or in an accusatory way.

 Assuming bisexuals are incapable of monogamy.

 Feeling that bisexual people are too outspoken and pushy about their visibility and rights.

 Looking at a bisexual person and automatically thinking of her/his sexuality rather than

seeing her/him as a whole, complete person.  Not confronting a biphobic remark or joke for fear of being identified as bisexual.

 Assuming bisexual means “available.”

 Thinking that bisexual people will have their rights when lesbian and gay people win theirs.

 Expecting bisexual activists and organizers to minimize bisexual issues (such as HIV/AIDS,

violence, basic civil rights, military service, same-sex marriage, child custody, adoption, etc.)

and to prioritize the visibility of “lesbian and/or gay” issues.

 Avoiding mentioning to friends that you are involved with a bisexual or working with a

bisexual group because you are afraid they will think you are a bisexual.

Many, though not all, of these example may be similar to the kinds of erasure trans or ace people face. Of course, ace and trans people also face forms of erasure unique to their own groups as well.

    • #asexual
    • #transgender
    • #bisexual
    • #gay
    • #lesbian
    • #straight
    • #erasure
    • #discrimination
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chekhovandowl:

I’m totally piggingbacking off of KateorDie’s idea to make edumaficational comics, so I hope she doesn’t judge me! (She’s the genius behind the Bisexuality comics, in case you missed that train.)
I went through the aromantic tag just out of curiosity and realized that we’re a pretty quiet people!
I’m not! I want to teach!
But I guess this is as good of an attempt as any! 
A MORE READ-ABLE VERSION FOUND HERE
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chekhovandowl:

I’m totally piggingbacking off of KateorDie’s idea to make edumaficational comics, so I hope she doesn’t judge me! (She’s the genius behind the Bisexuality comics, in case you missed that train.)

I went through the aromantic tag just out of curiosity and realized that we’re a pretty quiet people!

I’m not! I want to teach!

But I guess this is as good of an attempt as any! 

A MORE READ-ABLE VERSION FOUND HERE

    • #aromantic
    • #aromanticism
    • #asexual
    • #asexuality
    • #lgbt
    • #glbt
    • #bisexual
    • #bisexuality
    • #comics
    • #srs bsns
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